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Started By smanjh (somewhere in, the USA, U.S.A.)

Started on: 5/25/2005 4:08:42 AM, viewed 1006 times
They deleted this post of mine at Drdarden.com!!

I can not believe this. They deleted the message and listed the reasons in this PM:

I wanted to let you know I deleted your post (but included it below in case you would like to re-word it) your post because we felt that your attack was a little out of line. Just as you would protect your family or friends, we protect our little family. While we?re not adverse to criticism, we felt that you could have been more diplomatic in your message.

Thanks for understanding!


Here was my post, tell me how this was out of line? Perhaps it would shed light onto what a piece of crap Darden really is:

I just read the HIT book a few days ago, and I became perplexed after reading the ′Mentoring the Mentzer′s′ chapter. It seems that Darden disliked Mike in a way, not that he says he disliked him as a person, but the overall feeling of his disdain of him as a HIT theorist is pretty evident, especially when Darden claims Mike′s later methods would only work for the very advanced bodybuilder.

Now, do not get me wrong here, but is it not true that Mike moved the HD theory along, and later perfect it? Of course you will need longer rest days as you get bigger and stronger. He also proved that decompensation does not occur in 96 hours.

So, is it friendly competition? Is it that Mike saw that the guy who has respectable numbers can not possibly work his whole body with 12 excersises to true failure without overtraining in the first week?

Is it envy from Ell Darden? You know, since Ell happened to, like Mike, spent much of his time trying to spread the word on HIT, and here comes crazy old pee drinking Mike Mentzer with his outlandish split routines and his longer rest days making this seem crazy but in the end became more known than Arthur Jones?

I just do not get it. And to claim Mike′s workouts were not the ideal example of HIT training. My God, the man ended up in the best shape of any HIT trainer, who cares if he did not follow the precise 4 up/4 down or whatever.

Sorry for venting, but Mike took HIT from an old wives tail that was used to sell Nautilus machines to a phenomenon that many people used again in the 90′s.

I just do not understand. If anything, you should be giving Mentzer′s family royalties from the HIT book, since without him, HIT would have died in 1990.

In closing Mr. Darden, if you have time from the new HIT book (Where I am sure you are going to continue re-wording everything you guys did in the 1970′s) can you explain why you made such asinine statements regarding Mike?


Oh, and PS, Casey has stated many times about his steroid use, as did Mike, even while they were at Arthurs place. You seem to forget Arthur had a PRODUCT TO SELL, and needed every advantage WEIDER had at the time, including their representatives on gear.

What do you guys think? I think I was right on the money, LOL.

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Traps (Philly, pa, U.S.A.) on 5/25/2005 9:14:25 AM

well if it was my board i would have deleted it too. all you made was a bunch of opinions and a bunch of negative comments about the onwer of the board who bottom line is trying to sale a product.

many of the HIT guys have negative feelings about Mentzer′s theories. Jones, Viator, Darden, Yates. i do′t see why you get upset? did you know mike personally? why do you feel the need to stick up for him? Mentzer sure did not hesitate to belittle other trainers/training methods. I would say the most perfected versions of HIT is DC training. MIke said that all training methods other than his own were wrong. thats about as ignorant as you can get.

dafortae (a, a, U.S.A.) on 5/25/2005 2:08:38 PM


While I wouldn′t have been pleased that someone called me on something like that, especially at my own site, I think deleting the post was ignorant. I guess they don′t like someone going at them so directly like that. I personally wouldn′t have deleted it, I would have responded as well as I can.


dafortae (a, a, U.S.A.) on 5/25/2005 2:08:54 PM

Oh, and by the way, you′re right about everything you said! 🙂


smanjh (somewhere in, the USA, U.S.A.) on 5/25/2005 2:57:59 PM

No Traps, I did not know Mike personally. I wish I did. When Mike belittled Darden and Jones, it was always on something about the HIT theory, never on a level that tried to make them sound incompetent. Well, only incompetent in the aspect of frequency, in which he was 100% right, especially for the more advanced, or people who understand failure, it is impossible to go 100% on excersises for the entire body in one day, and then repeat them 48 hours later for someone who is not a rank begenner. So, I just wanted to ask why he speaks so negatively about Mike in his book, which he does not do directly, but does very much so indirectly.

Thanks Darrel, I thought so too:)

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