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Started By dafortae (a, a, U.S.A.)

Started on: 1/27/2006 9:26:47 AM, viewed 951 times
Pullover vs Dips

Hey guys, just wanted to know what you thought about the old claims that both of these exercises were the ′upper body squat′. I′ve heard that about both of them.

I′ve always been interested in both of these exercises, I just never could gain major strength in the pullover (I′m talking machine pullover here). It seems like there are SO many weak links in it! Does that perhaps mean it involves more muscles? It′s hard to say.

Just wanted to see what everyone thought about these two exercises.


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Kranium (PBG, FL, U.S.A.) on 1/27/2006 1:31:37 PM

I am fortunate enough to be a member at a fully equipped Medex gym, and I never really made any progress on the Medex pullovers. I think I may if I tried a set now since I train for 2 sets every 12 days (athletes routine). I find that negative weighted dips and deadlifts (especially when done in Rest Pause fashion) do more for my upper body than pullovers. Jones would call pullovers the "upper body squat", while Mentzed said dips were the "upper body squat". Even tho I respect Jones I tend to side with Mentzer.

dafortae (a, a, U.S.A.) on 1/27/2006 4:37:28 PM

Thanks for the response. I agree with you. That′s the machine I was using, MedX. I LOVE that machine, but I just seemed to stall easily on it compared to the other machines (which I maxed out). I always felt like I had a weak muscle somewhere that I just couldn′t pinpoint. Perhaps a muscle that′s only involved to a large degree in a movement like that.

Dips, I have no problems with. I could always progress on them (until the machine was maxed).


Simon (Cambridge, England, UK) on 1/28/2006 7:43:12 AM

I stay well clear of dips simply because I don′t want to end up with droopy pecs that resemble a pair of tits, even though I realise their superiority in terms of intensity.

I once used a pullover machine for a static rep where I tried to resist for the entire rep. The triceps long head gave out first.

Yes, I agree, Deadlifts are the best upper body exercise – the upper body squat! In fact, the only muscles not worked stongly on the deadlift (going by my soreness the next day) are the lateral and medial heads of the triceps and the pectorals.

Simon (Cambridge, England, UK) on 1/28/2006 8:20:12 AM

plus anterior delts

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