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Started By KR0ME (London, S, England)

Started on: 12/29/2006 11:35:15 AM, viewed 3964 times

Hi everyone,

Just thought I would drop in to say a few words.

I′m just here to say that after a period of experimenting whith higher volume/frequency after a period of two years on the athletes routine, I can say without a shadow of a doupt that my progress has improved a great deal since ditching HD and using higher volume.

Im sorry to say this, as I myself was a staunch HD practitioner, a ′HD purist′. No one here can say that I have not followed Mikes recommendations 100% to the letter, to the point where I was training ONE SET EVERY 4 WEEKS! But I began to become alarmed when, I would be only experiencing a one rep increase every month. I was sure that I was near my potential, boy how wrong I was.

I have experimented with higher volume for a while, and although I am still trying to cut my strength has gone up a great deal. I now am up in reps every two days….NOT EVERY MONTH! This cannot be possible if Mike′s theory was correct.

I know that for a fact, take it from me, I am not one of those guys that tries HD for a month of so, tweaks the volume, tweaks rest days etc. I did it exactly to the book. It is a complete lie, it is not the best, not at all. When I say ′lie′ I dont mean it does not work, it does, and I gained some good mass initially. But is it the ′one valid theory′ , the best, most logicall form of training that will get you to your potential in the lest amount of time……BULL ABSOLUTE BULL.

I am disappointed in Mike because I know for a fact that he was either, lying and cheating just to make money. Or he was simply wrong, and did not have correct knowledge. I hope that the latter was the case. Even so, it is still disappointing.

Well to all the guys I have opposed on here…..Jeff, mdm, tdrag…..hands up, I was wrong, I admit that. But I did always say that I was truly open minded and that if higher volume worked I would accept it. Well it has worked, so I have to admitt that.



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Analyzer (CDA, id, U.S.A.) on 12/29/2006 11:42:29 AM

Hey Nick,

welcome back!

wow what a first post for coming back. Just cool to know your back in the gaining zone 🙂 What type of program are you following now? I′m just getting going on a Gironda type setup,



KR0ME (London, S, England) on 12/29/2006 12:15:31 PM

Hey, thanks Az for the kind welcome!

I wasnt sure if I was going to get lynched for that post!

Its not that I am no longer a HITer, I have just found that Mikes extreme consolidation routines are far from being the best for gaining the most mass in the shortest amount of time.

Im still experimenting with different routines, higher volume HIT and periodization, and tried some of the musclenow stuff. The results have been good, a real eye opener.

Goodluck on the Gironda routines….any links to his stuff on the net? Id be interested to try it also.

Oh by the way just wanted to say hello to Darrell and Vince as well!


Vincent (Geneva, Geneva, Switzerland) on 12/29/2006 12:36:17 PM

Hello Krome ! Welcome back ! Making progress is the most important thing even if theory is funny !

!!! 1 set once every 4 weeks cannot lead to optimal gains !!! Most studies show a muscle must be trained 1-2x per week for optimal rate of progress. Around once every 3-5 days. I also think HD is flawed because Mike and not even Jones really made the distinction (at least in practice) between muscular fatigue/recovery and nervous fatigue/recovery. So eventualy a pure HDer like you would go as far as training a muscle once a month or less. They weren′t very clear about muscular stimulation too BUT it was a step toward the good direction and with a few corrections we should be able to have to best (and only valid) resistance training′s method. Stuart Mc Robert even if he doesn′t speak about muscles system versus nervous system understood that the effort had to by cycled and proposed a method much more praticable than HD.

Good luck with your new training ! Are you going to report your gains/workouts here ?

Analyzer (CDA, id, U.S.A.) on 12/29/2006 2:40:58 PM

Hey Krome!

No lynching, I started out on this forum nagging about Mentzer′s training routines so I′m no stranger to it LOL

Sounds like your trying some good stuff!

Sure here is a Vince overload for you 😉




Take care and best wishes!

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