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Started By ivx2021 (pzo, bo, VE)

Started on: 11/27/2003 7:37:19 AM, viewed 2228 times
NOW i feel overtrained!

Dear friends,,,

today is my second day rest after my last upper wkout and after having 11 days rest and i am feeling the overtraining sympthoms…

i have a headache

i feel stressed

my triceps are sore and they never were sore before

i have a pain in the neck

and my mood isnt the best 😉


just wanted to share that because yesterday i was worried about my growth and today is the first time i feel like i am feeling! so i am understading clearly now…

can i ask an off topic question? ? :

people that consume steroids , do they have a better recovery ability? if they dont increase weights because they use volume training how come they have big muscles? is it because the steroids JUST force proteins in the muscles??? AND FOR ALL I AM NOT PLANNING ON USING THAT SH**

sorry and thanks


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Analyzer (CDA, id, U.S.A.) on 11/27/2003 2:19:42 PM

Good to hear you will never use steroids, they can kill and harm you very badly!

But in answer to your question, the truth? The REAL truth? Damage a muscle it will grow, more damage = more stimulation. More volume also equals more stimulation, and steroids allow you to KILL your muscles and recover and grow faster. But it′s not worth the cost, why die to get bigger quicker when you can still get big NATURALLY and in a HEALTHY fashion =)))

Take care!


Analyzer (CDA, id, U.S.A.) on 11/27/2003 2:36:52 PM

Recovery and growth:

Here is how the stimulation/recovery cycle works, using Mike′s example of the hole and mountain on top…

When you do a set, you dig a hole, your body has to fill in the hole, then build a little mountain on top.

Now here is a little further on how it works…

How deep you dig the hole is how much stimulation you have induced, the deeper the hole the higher your body WANTS to build after it fillls in the hole. Almost like a trampoline, the harder you jump the higher it rebounds.

BUT, your recovery ability decides on how high your capable of building.

Let′s say you have enough recovery to build a 10 inch mountain. This means you have 20 units of recovery, 10 to fill in a 10 inch hole and then 10 to build the 10 inch mountain. 10 + 10=20 If you dig a 6 inch hole, you will be within your recovery ability and given the right time, your body will fill in the hole and build a 6 inch mountain. You could build more but did not stimulate more.

So you could add a bit of intensity or another set etc so you dig a 10 inch hole, then you would build a 10 inch mountain. Here you would be at your optimum training intensity. Now what if you dig a 12 inch hole? You will need more time to recovery but now only build an 8 inch mountain since that is all your capable of. You have 20 units total, 12 were used to fill in the hole and only 8 are left for building. Now if you keep digging 12 inch holes or even deeper, you will eventually get to the point where you are only filling in the holes and never building mountains. A sticking point. If this get′s worse, you will hit regression and won′t even be able to fill in the holes. This happens when training too often. Before you finish filling in the hole, or even start on the mountain, you make another hole somewhere else and the resources are divided. You have 20 units and now you have 2 ten inch holes, all you can do is fill them in.

Anything we can do (that is NOT steriods) to increase our recovery ability will give us more "units" to fill in the holes and build mountains.

That′s how I think of this and logically it makes sense to me 🙂


HD_Latino (Corona, NY, U.S.A.) on 11/27/2003 7:52:52 PM

Hola, ivx2021

From what I read about steroids and what Mike use to say about them. They speed up your recovery ability. Thats why bodybuilder get away with grossly overtraining. They increase protein sysnthezis and quickly convert glucose into glycogen chains. Each glycogen chain can hold 3 drops of water. You can tell when someone is on steroids. There are many symptons one is lots of pimples on there backs.

But for some reason I notice that they are not too strong. I posted somewhere in the forum. That there is a big guy in the gym I work out. He legpresses 540lbs. This dude looks like he belongs in muscle and fitness magazine. But then here I am, little all me. And I am legpressing 720lbs. I have a hypothesis, I think one day on steroids is like a month of rest for people not on them.

Analyzer (CDA, id, U.S.A.) on 11/27/2003 11:13:34 PM

Hey HD,

Great info. and I think you are right in your hypothesis, plus they can get end up unhealthy and dead when their 50 too! What a bargain eh? haha

Take care!


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